Episode 30 – No Reasonable Expectation Of Privacy – Third Party Doctrine

Closed Network podcast Episode 30 – Your Data & The Third Party Doctrine

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  • GrapheneOS adds Android Auto Support
  • Discussion on the Ethos of Closed Network Podcast and community
  • Reflecting over 2023 – Why so long since last show, and the Closed Network Open Bar Hangouts
  • 2024 Plans and goals for sustainability and less reliance on external services:
    • streaming
    • cloud services, data, email, communications
    • communications education, mesh radio, mesh internet etc
  • Why My Push To Self Host Everything or as much as I possibly Can

My Current Setup:

  • Nextcloud for contacts, and calendars. I sync with my Pixel 7 Pro running GrapheneOS using DavX. Photos are backed up to Nextcloud and I use ente.io as a safety backup.
  • Bitwarden for my password manager
  • VPNS: Mullvad (paid wtih Monero and 10% discount), iVPN.net & Proton VPN (though I don’t use much they are slow)
  • Media Server: CasaOS running on Ubuntu Server with JellyFin and Plex Docker images
  • Bitcoin node running on Umbrel also running Dojo Ronin Server for my Samourai wallet running on older Pixel with no service.

We will be moving Mastodon server from VPS to hosted locally to save money and have more storage

Massive network upgrade that I will be discussing. I’ll be using a combination of PfSense and UniFi equipment from Ubiquity. (I’ll explain)

4th Amendment & Third Party Doctrine –

Key issue the court had was the third party doctrine and how it impacts 4th amendment.

Unites States v Miller, 1976 – A person has no reasonable expectation of privacy as it relates to banking and bank records.

The Fourth Amendment protects the right to be secure in one’s person, house, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.

The third-party doctrine says there is no expectation of privacy in information voluntarily provided to others.

On June 22, 2018, as the 2017-18 term wound down, the Supreme Court released its long-awaited decision in Carpenter v. U.S.[1] The Court held, 5-4, that when the police obtain cell site location information (CSLI) about a person’s cell phone usage, that action constitutes a search under the Fourth Amendment.

Where We Go from Here: The Third-Party Doctrine and Location Tracking After Carpenter

Example of Google using actual data to act on customers Google and Fi account

Google refuses to reinstate man’s account after he took medical images of son’s groin


Framework discloses data breach after accountant gets phished

Apple knew AirDrop users could be identified and tracked as early as 2019, researchers say

How to create strong passwords you’ll actually remember

The Feds can see your notifications:

Wi-Fi hacking like Mr. Robot:

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